Oklahoma Saab Car Dealers

Got an unsolicited e-mail from Schumacher Saab; "$10,000 up to $13,000 off MSRP.". Gave an example of a 9-3 for $19K and change, Sounds good so I write to ask of they have any manual transmissions in stock; Answer oh yes, red, blue black white green with parchment interior; Come up and see so and so. OK. I take a ride to the dealer. 1st lie: Only color in stock is black. 2nd lie; Rebate is $9k. Gave me a low number for my trade. Told the salesman I wasn't interested. Tried to hold me hostage by keeping the keys to my car in the manager's office, and challanging me why a $9k rebate wasn't good enough. AVOID Schumacher in West Palm Beach, FL.

Update: OK I think I know where you got those prices from. I called Herb Chambers in Boston and asked about 4 9-3's that ranged from 13k-16.9k which was much lower than prices here in CT. He informed me that these were not Certified Pre-Owned and you would be left with only 2yrs warrantee or 50k miles. For CPO, the price can be about 3k more. The one I’m looking at has 3.5 years left and up to 100k miles (which I’ll never reach in that time). Hence, my 19.9 number is not that far off. That said, no one is buying cars so I may try and bring the price down to around 19ish. Stay tuned, the dealer is letting me bring the car home overnight.

Please put aside your talking points and read your previous posts as well as mine. For anyone to compare the quality and reliability of Toyota, Honda and Nissan over the last decade to that of VW is silly. I was not making a comparison. I demonstrated that no car maker was perfect and VW was working on its reliability issues and making a good progress. Why, do you think, Kelly Blue Book has recently named VW as a 2008 Best Resale Value Brand? You seemed to agree that Toyota and Nissan did have and do have reliability issues. Come on, you know it, I know it and even Toyota president has publicly admitted that his company car quality has been slipping recently. The strong Euro hurts VW on price ... and, therefore, on sales too? But VW is doing just fine outside of the North America market. if the best you can do is brag about one average car and one very recent above average score in reliability for VW, you are playing a very weak hand. Passat, Touareg, Beetle anyone? Those models are not the bread and butter ones for VW: the Jetta (Bora) and Golf/Rabbit are. Again, I am not saying that VW is perfect, I just countered your argument that VW could do (or not doing) nothing about its quality issues. ...I might take you seriously but right now I'm laughing. Are you OK? Yours is just opinion. Nope, "Just the facts mam, just the facts".

"I don't mean this as a flame"...Yes, you do, saablcp! andygrv has told us the story about his personal experience with the SAAB lease and dealership in California, not in Pennsylvania. If you like your local SAAB dealers-good for you! The fellow in California was not trying to convince you otherwise. Yet, having four recalls on a car is not OK, not these days. Do not jump on this fellow because of a misprint and call him semi-literate. BTW, it is ether literate or illiterate, the same as a fish quility: there is no second grade freshness. "...some of the criticisms you are applying universally" - do not put words in someone's mouth. Our personal experience is what we, most of the time, make our conclusions and decisions. andygrv has decided for him/herself not to deal anymore with SAAB based on his personal experience in California. If one to extrapolate your logic, he should not have come to such conclusion before spending some time in your area, where SAAB dealers are good. Then what, he/she will have to move in permanently? I do not think so. We stay where we like, we buy cars, and if we are not happy with them, we get rid of them and buy the better ones. Perception of a car quality is based upon opinions of individual owners. If particular owner feels that his/her car is just a moving nuisance, nothing could change that. So, enjoy your SAAB and let others to express freely their opinions. Matroskin

I don't mean this as a flame ...but in just how many forums do you plan to post your semi-literate diatribe?Your car had recalls?OK..Are you aware that everybodys "most" reliable manufacturer,Toyota, recalled more cars than any other manufacturer last year?Dealers have varying policies on loaner cars.I personally don't know of any in the Philadelphia area that have less than 12-15 Saab loaner cars available.Name me a speed rated performance tire from any manufacturer that will give you 45,000 miles of wear.And also name all the lease programs that do not have disposition fees?.... A fee which SAAB waives if you re-lease with them,by the way.Brakes at 25,000 miles($25,000?? lol!)if you are driving in an urban,stop-and-go area is not that unusual.Sorry you had a bad experience but it sounds like some of the criticisms you are applying universally are unique to your limited leasing knowledge,individual experience and some unrealistic expectations.A more mass market generic car like a Saturn may in fact be a better fit for you