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The second row seating is adjustable. I'm 6'1" with long legs and can adjust that for plenty of room. I think I can adjust the second row about halfway back and get it where I would be confortable in either the second or third row...though the third row is a little lsmaller for foot room. I have an 08 Saturn Outlook with second row captains chairs. On a golf trip last year, Harvey rode in the second row for 500 miles one way..all 6' 4" 230 lbs and was comfortable. I think the adjustment release is on the side of the seat. Shame on the sales person giving you the demo for not showing you this. Bill
MPG may not be too disappointing. I picked up a 2008 Saturn XR FWD yesterday afternoon. Reset the DIC mpg display when I hit the expressway. Drove 12 or so miles 55-70 before I got to my exit...showing 25.5 at that time. Followed the wife to a steakhouse by the mall near that exit, then about 5 miles home over rural type city streets. Another 20 miles to work this morning...half city streets, half expressway and still showing almost 22 mpg. My '00 trooper would get around 17-18 average over the same route and similar driving. Looked real good at steady speeds on the expressway, could tell the drop in mpg at stoplights, etc. I only have 55 miles on the odometer, but hope the decent mileage continues.
We just bought last week in Memphis, TN: 2008 Acadia FWD SLT-1 White Diamond Tricoat Ebony leather (captain chairs) Dual skyscape sunroof Power liftgate Convenience pkg. (ultrasonic parking, remote start) Cargo pkg. Trailer pkg. Total: $35,909.03 with the Supplier's Discount and $1,500 in rebates ($500 rebate and $1k Conquest). I'm not sure that I got the best deal but I researched it alot and this is the lowest I could get. They are not moving alot on the prices, at least down here in the South! Salesman insisted it was below invoice but I don't buy it--he even went as far to say that Supplier's Discount was below invoice...which is a lie). They have to make $$$ too, as long as they don't screw you in the process. I feel like it was pretty fair deal.
re: Saturn pricing policy... My daughter was buying a used Saturn years ago and they claimed to not even negotiate pricing on their used vehicles. IIRC, late in the 2007 model year there was a $1000 or so rebate. My wife is covered under the GM Supplier discount program. I can get the GSM pricing for Buick and GM from their web page...for Saturn it says contact dealer for pricing details...so, I guess you get some discount but it is not published. I don't think the Outlook has any price advantage over the Acadia with the same equipment...the base Outlook has a little less equipment standard than the Acadia so when you add that to the base Outlook, the pricing is about the same. Acadia might even be less if you can get a discount off MSRP and Saturn does not discount.
I understand what you are getting at. Hum, say on the '07 Acadia SLT 1, spread between MSRP and invoice is $2,160. Room for Ad fees in that. Spread between TMV and invoice is only $552, about what the Ad fees seem to be running average. So, is net profit before holdback, volume incentives, etc. pretty much $0 after deducting the Ad fees (or adding them to base invoice). I'm glad I have not put out the million to buy a dealership and make minimal profit on a pretty poplar vehicle. Now getting to the regional ad fees, with network advertising, satellite radio, internet, etc. I don't see any more difference in having national Ad fees that having national destination fees. Maybe it will eventually come to that, but I'm wondering if checking the smaller town, lower overhead dealers might be a good idea. I know they don't have the same volume, but if their overhead is much lower and they get hit with minimal Ad fees, then they might be able to have a lower net sales price than the high volume, high overhead, high Ad fee dealers in the 'big city'. Hey, I've got it now...this is some of the 'new' math they started teaching after I got out of school...dang, my 40th high school reunion is just a couple of years from now.
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