2011 Hyundai Genesis Consumer Discussions

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Re: genesis 2011 [sparkangelo]

  Written by: marco27 on Apr 28, 2011 12:35:06 PM

  Horrible- walk away, or better yet- demand the deal they should be more than willing to give you. The 2012's are just about here- you should be able to steal a 2011 starting about now. Back in Dec, this was my lease deal: MSRP $41,800 Fully Loaded Tech and Prem 3.6 Sedan 12,000 mi $750 Down, INCLUDING 1st Mths Payment $400/mth for 36 mths 4 Free Oil Changes Included You should ... Read More

• Re: April Numbers Genesis Sedan [bbkg79]

  Written by: Car_man on Apr 20, 2011 5:02:43 PM

  Hello bbkg79. Hyundai Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan 3.8L with 15,000 miles per year are .00038 and 54%, respectively. Hyundai Finance charges a $595 acquisition fee on every vehicle that it leases. I believe that it is currently waiving its security deposit requirement for this vehicle. The doc fee will vary from dealer to dealer (it's ... Read More

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's [gjrudden]

  Written by: Car_man on Apr 20, 2011 4:59:57 PM

  Hey gjrudden. Hyundai Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan 4.6 with 15,000 miles per year are .00058 and 53%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• April rates and residuals for 4.6L Genesis sedan

  Written by: weirvinejr on Apr 12, 2011 7:21:03 PM

  Hi Carman What are the current Hyundai lease rates and residuals for a 2011 4.6L Genisis Sedan, 12000 miles, 36 months, in Warner Robins, GA 31088, please. How long are the numbers good for? Thanks for your help

• Calculating Approximate Lease Payment for Genesis

  Written by: randernyc on Apr 10, 2011 7:42:15 PM

  Hi! I am looking to lease a 2011 Hyundai Genesis 4dr Sedan V6 with a price of $29,542 after a $2,600 below invoice reduction being offered from the MRSP of $33,850. If I gave them $1000 down, what would I expect the lease payments to be provided that I also pay upfront the sales tax? Any range would be most helpful! Thanks! Randernyc

• Re: April Numbers Genesis Sedan [bbkg79]

  Written by: anonymousposts on Apr 8, 2011 2:10:32 PM

  We just leased a 2011 3.8 sedan with premium and NAV. The residual for 36 month/12k is 54% and 15k is 52%. The money factor on our lease is .00064. Hyundai Motor Finance charges a $595 acquisition fee. Security deposits are not required, it just depends on your preference. All the other fees are dependent on the dealership and your state's title and licensing fee.

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's [Car_man]

  Written by: zalman33 on Apr 6, 2011 11:08:26 AM

  Wow. Thank you very much!

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's [gjrudden]

  Written by: jack616 on Apr 5, 2011 12:52:08 PM

  I cannot help you with the money factor and residuals, but I do not believe that Hyundai offers a 12000 mile lease - I think it is a minimum of 15000 miles. Hope that helps a bit.

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's [Car_man]

  Written by: gjrudden on Apr 4, 2011 5:54:15 PM

  Car-man - Is the money factor and Residual Value the same for the Hyundai Genesis Sedan 4.6? What are the differences for 12,000 miles and 15,000 miles. Thanks a ton for your help!

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's [zalman33]

  Written by: Car_man on Apr 3, 2011 2:47:43 PM

  Hi zalman33. Hyundai Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Grand Touring with 15,000 miles per year are .00187 and 59%, respectively. This program is scheduled to run through June 30th. It is possible that it will be different in July. You should negotiate a selling price that's as close to dealer invoice as possible and ... Read More

• Re: Hi Car_Man. Residual & MF Please... [snootch]

  Written by: Car_man on Apr 3, 2011 2:40:29 PM

  Hi snootch. Hyundai Finance's April buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 2.0 base a/t with 12,000 miles per year are .00184 and I believe 61%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• 2011 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 Grand Touring Q's

  Written by: zalman33 on Apr 3, 2011 3:08:07 AM

  Hi Car_man, I am looking to lease a 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Grand Touring with an automatic trans (MSRP of $29,705). This is my first lease and I am trying to learn as much as I can about the entire leasing process, terminology, etc.. I am looking for a 15,000 mile/year lease (since Hyundai does not offer any higher mileage options) and hope to pay up front for an additional ... Read More

• Re: Hi Car_Man. Residual & MF Please... [ghetto2315]

  Written by: Car_man on Mar 27, 2011 4:39:54 PM

  Hi ghetto2315. Hyundai Finance's March buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track with 15,000 miles per year are .00185 and 55%, respectively. I believe that 15,000 miles per year is the highest mileage allowance that Hyundai publishes residual values for. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience

• 2011 Genesis Sedan 3.8 with Premium Nav for $32k + TTL

  Written by: quiklab on Mar 25, 2011 7:07:56 AM

  I got my 2011 Genesis Sedan with Premium Nav for $32k + TTL. Dealer's MSRP is around $38k. They gave us the competitive rebate of $1,500 and 1.9% for 48 months. Bought it from Stevens Creek Hyundai in Santa Clara, CA (around SF bay area). I used Zag.com w/ AMEX for pricing. They honored the price and on top of that, gave us the rebate and excellent financing. I recommend this ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Hi Car_Man. Residual & MF Please...

  Written by: ghetto2315 on Mar 21, 2011 2:43:27 PM

  Hi Car_man, Can you please give me what the Residual and MF and any lease cash or incentives for 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track - 6 Speed Manual for a 36-month, 15,000 miles per year lease? Also, did Hyundai up the ante and publish rates for 20,000 miles or is the max still 15,000 miles? It is now the end of March. Should you get this later on, please post when ... Read More

• Re: Lease on Genesis Sedan 3.8L [Car_man]

  Written by: marco27 on Mar 15, 2011 11:59:44 PM

  Car man- why is there never any discussion about Genesis lease deals that seem to be available that are way better via brute negotiation than any mf and rv calculator you can input with Hyundai's published numbers? I leased a 2011 Genesis Sedan loaded to the hilt with Prem and Tech pkgs with 0 down and $399/mth for 36ths and 12K mi. Can you pull those numbers out of published lease ... Read More

• Re: Lease on Genesis Sedan 3.8L [gramana]

  Written by: Car_man on Mar 15, 2011 6:00:21 PM

  Hi gramana. According to the latest information that I have seen, Hyundai Finance's buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis 3.8L Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00061 and 54%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: Yep... [backy]

  Written by: steve_ on Feb 19, 2011 6:39:27 AM

  Lots of good quotes in this story: Mark Phelan: Quality makes Hyundai surge (Detroit News) "the fastest-growing automaker in the world, and it's poised to accelerate in 2011." "Quality was our undoing in the early '90s. Now it's our strength" "Hyundai has performed one of the most amazing brand transformations I've ever seen, and they've done it the right way: with great products," IHS Automotive analyst Aaron Bragman said." "Hyundai has ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• 2011 Genesis Coupe Lease

  Written by: danielalvarado on Feb 19, 2011 3:13:56 AM

  I am working on a lease for this car. Only one dealer so far has given me hard figures as to the money factor and residual %. According to him, these are the numbers given by Hyundai themselves for the special ending on Feb 28, 2011. Can anyone confirm these numbers? Genesis Coupe Automatic Transmission (Base) $24350 MSRP $21900 Base Cap Cost (TrueCar NoHaggle Price) $595 Bank Fee $1000 Manufacturer Incentive ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience

• Genesis Sedan

  Written by: rileydog1 on Feb 5, 2011 9:46:15 PM

  I purchased a 2011 Genesis Sedan in Nov. 2010 for $43.6k out the door. I have owned BMW's for my last 3 cars, 3.0, 535 and my last was a 330 CIC. I love BMW's but when I test drove the Genesis Sedan I fell in love! (I know my friends told me I was crazy) It may not handle like a 5 series but it will blow any 5 series ... Read More

• Re: 2011 Genesis with premium and navigation [professionalr]

  Written by: jack616 on Feb 5, 2011 9:34:16 PM

  Here is a copy of a post that I made in reply to someone else that will explain: #393 of 394 Re: Looking for MF and residual on 3.8 [binbot] by jack616 Feb 01, 2011 (4:13 pm) Replying to: binbot (Feb 01, 2011 6:47 am) Hi. My car was 38400 and the price was brought down to 31,???. I did all of the paperwork over the phone. - (I never walked ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Re: Looking for MF and residual on 3.8 [binbot]

  Written by: jack616 on Feb 1, 2011 4:13:09 PM

  Hi. My car was 38400 and the price was brought down to 31,???. I did all of the paperwork over the phone. - (I never walked into any showroom other then to drive the cars I was considering. All of my car negotiations for the past 7 yrs for my family I have done this way and have found this way to be far less aggravating and more beneficial for me.) ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience

• 2.0L, 4 Cyl 2011 Coupe Price Paid

  Written by: laziestfoo on Jan 30, 2011 6:30:54 AM

  Houston, TX - Just bought a new Hyundai Genesis Coupe: 2011 Base Model 2.0L, 4 Cyl Floor Mats + Trunk/Hatch Spoiler + IPod Connection Cable Price Paid = $21,000 + $700 (Customer Advantage (ie shipping fee) Charge) + TT&L Got 1.9% Financing for 60 Months with $5,000 down I thought it was a fair price, but I bet you could negotiate the shipping fee (they call it Customer Advantage) down. Just ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Re: 2011 Genesis 3.8 Tech Lease Options [timc7]

  Written by: audiobuff on Jan 27, 2011 8:40:40 AM

  It’s funny you should post this question, as we just went through this same problem at a dealer in San Jose 10 days ago. It is true the Hyundai leases only extend to 15K miles. You can roll into the lease, or pay up front the additional mileage at 15 cents a mile which would be $2250 (15 cents X 5000 miles X 3 years). Don’t let them try and tell ... Read More

• 2011 Genesis 3.8 Tech Lease Options

  Written by: timc7 on Jan 26, 2011 1:48:31 PM

  I'm looking for a 3-Year/20K Mile Per Lease on a 2011 Genesis 3.8 with Tech Package (or a 4.6) My local dealer (California Zip 94303) is telling me Hyundai only does 15K leases and has come up with some insane numbers for some other local (maybe he meant "loco") Bank. 3Year/20K Per - 3.5K Down - $550+Tax per month What's the real story on this, Hyundai doesn't do 20K Leases? I ... Read More

• Re: Hi Carman [ghetto2315]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 26, 2011 12:55:57 PM

  Here you go. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track MT with 15,000 miles per year are .00185 and 56%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: Genesis Coupe GT Auto Lease [audiobuff]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 18, 2011 5:12:09 PM

  I'd be happy to audiobuff. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe GT with 15,000 miles per year are .00167 and 58%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: Jan mf and resid? [binbot]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 10, 2011 6:18:48 PM

  Here's the information that you're looking for, binbot. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a base 2011 Genesis Coupe with 15,000 miles per year are .00167 and 58%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T Premium Leases [friedmike]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 10, 2011 6:16:51 PM

  I sure can, friedmike. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 2.0T Premium Auto with 12,000 miles per year are .00167 and 59%, respectively. I doubt that Kias count towards Hyundai's owner loyalty program. I'm not sure exactly which models qualify for the competitive owner program. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: Car Man Need some help, first timer [steevo]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 10, 2011 6:05:52 PM

  Hi steevo. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan 4.6 with 15.000 miles per year are .00075 and 52%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: Looking for MF and residual on 3.8 [sotampacane]

  Written by: Car_man on Jan 10, 2011 6:05:29 PM

  Hello sotampacane. Hyundai Finance's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan 3.8 with 10,000 miles per year are .00061 and 55%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

• Re: current residual and MF [agamemnon]

  Written by: Car_man on Nov 7, 2010 4:28:09 PM

  Greetings agamemnon. This car's lease program varies by term and mileage allowance. You never mentioned what either of these variables are, so for now I will assume that you are interested in a 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something different. Hyundai Finance's November buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 2.0 ... Read More

• Re: current residual and MF [mwahlert]

  Written by: Car_man on Nov 2, 2010 4:10:28 AM

  Hi mwahlert. Hyundai Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan V6 with 15,000 miles per year are .00115 and 56%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2010 model are .00059 and 48%. Hyundai is providing a $2,000 cash incentive on leases of the 2010 model, but no cash on the 2011 model. Car_man Host ... Read More

• Re: Re 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Leasing Information [infalliblesal]

  Written by: Car_man on Oct 21, 2010 3:11:01 AM

  Hi infalliblesal. $500 over dealer invoice is a very good deal for a leased 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe. If you think that the invoice price that the dealer quoted you is not accurate, you can look it (including the destination charge) up over in the New Vehicle Pricing section of Edmunds.com. Also, you might want to check to make sure that the dealer is using Hyundai Finance's buy rate lease money ... Read More

• Re: Re 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Leasing Information [infalliblesal]

  Written by: Car_man on Oct 7, 2010 3:49:28 AM

  Hi infalliblesal. You can find the pricing data that you're looking for over in the New Vehicle Pricing section of Edmunds.com. Hyundai Finance's October buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 with 12,000 miles per year are .00150 and 57%, respectively. I believe that the numbers for the Grand Touring model are .00150 and 58%. Let me know what ... Read More

2011 Genesis Sedan

• Re: Comments on 2010 Hyundai Genesis sedan [toye]

  Written by: sooththetruth on Oct 16, 2010 1:05:01 AM

  Well, I noticed that Car driver really has emphasized the Lexus-like demeanor of the car on it's long term road test V8 Genesis, then selected the Genesis 3.8 over other "upscale" but not luxury cars in a comparo against the Lexus ES350, Buick LaCrosse, and some other car, maybe the SHO, but termed that NONE of the cars were "fun" to drive. Now they are saying that the new 2011 BMW ... Read More

2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [joemama9]

  Written by: tjc78 on Oct 9, 2010 5:00:58 AM

  I had a power steering pump fail on a car in the first 200 miles and the car was dead reliable after that. Sometimes they just get a bad part at the factory . Enjoy your coupe!

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [djconner]

  Written by: joemama9 on Oct 8, 2010 6:06:23 PM

  Hyundai Quality Control? test drove a 2011 3.8T. Steering pulled hard right. Told the dealer the front tires needed to be aligned. Mechanic said it was from sitting a long time without being driven. I did't buy that explanation and left. Went to another dealer drove a 2011 3.8. Test drive was great and I ended up buying it for 3K below MSRP. On my way home from the dealer I ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

• Re: 2011 Genesis Sedan [ctl]

  Written by: robr2 on Oct 2, 2010 2:50:11 PM

  fitzmall.com is selling base 2011 (not 2010) Genesis V6 Sedan at $27.5K! Are they simply not selling well or is there any Toyota-like recall issue going on? According to Edmunds, Hyundai is not offering any sort of consumer incentive on the Genesis. Fitzmall is known for rock bottom pricing so perhaps they have a dealer incentive with Hyundai.

2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues

• Maintenance Costs

  Written by: donb1 on Oct 2, 2010 10:18:28 AM

  I hope I am on the right forum here. I am giving serious consideration to purchasing a 2010/2011 3.8 Genesis. I am also considering a 2011 Avalon. I have owned 3 Avalons and while I am ready for a change I also can appreciate what the Avalon can offer. The biggest factor is the 5 yr warranty for the Genesis. I have heard however that you must strictly adhere to the ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

• Re: 2011 Genesis Sedan [ctl]

  Written by: backy on Oct 1, 2010 3:05:40 PM

  Now that the Genesis is in its 3rd model year, the newness has worn off and Hyundai is starting to discount the cars like similarly-priced cars from other automakers. Look around, you'll see large discounts on G's, ES's, and the big FWD family sedans that are in the $30s like the Maxima, Avalon, and Taurus. Not to mention the huge discounts on RWD luxury cars like the M and GS. Also, ... Read More

• Re: 2011 Genesis Sedan [ctl]

  Written by: toye on Oct 1, 2010 2:16:37 PM

  no recalls as far as I know Hyundai just posted sales of the Genesis for Sept 2010 at over 3200 units sold!!

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Re: Genesis Lease [bennych1]

  Written by: Car_man on Sep 22, 2010 3:13:27 AM

  Hi bennych1. Hyundai's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Genesis Sedan V6 with 15,000 miles per year are .00132 and 56%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a Genesis Sedan V8 are .00142 and 55%. I don't believe that Hyundai is currently providing any cash incentives on leases of the '11 Genesis Sedan right now. Car_man Host ... Read More

2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [avex]

  Written by: djconner on Sep 18, 2010 9:36:00 PM

  I've used their financing before, but not the buying service - not sure if the two are directly linked or not (i.e., the good deal is dependent on you using them to finance it?) This is the link I've got to them: http://www.capitalone.com/autoloans/auto-buying-program/index.php?linkid=WWW_Z_Z- _Z_ALBC_H1_05_T_ALDO

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [djconner]

  Written by: avex on Sep 18, 2010 9:09:16 PM

  That's what I thought. BTW, the Capital One Auto Buyer site looks like it's just a portal for Truecar.com - same thing. I am skeptical about its accuracy. It's giving me pricing for cars with option packages that don't exist. Have you used it before?

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [avex]

  Written by: djconner on Sep 18, 2010 8:30:38 PM

  It looks to me like (unlike the 2010 models) Nav is standard on at least all the "high-end" Genesis Coupes.

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [djconner]

  Written by: avex on Sep 18, 2010 7:59:50 PM

  I never heard of Capital One Auto Buying, so I'll have to look into that! In in MA so All Seasons are a must here as well. One thing I can't figure out about the 2011 GT is whether it comes with a Nav system, and whether it's possible to delete that option from the car. Do you know?

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [avex]

  Written by: djconner on Sep 18, 2010 5:39:05 PM

  Capital One's Auto Buying (I'm planning to finance through their "Blank Check" program) gave me a "No Hassle" quote of just under $3000 below MSRP, so you might want to give them a try. I agree, after looking them over more closely, that the GT is more attractive than the Track model. I'm starting to lean toward the GT now, with that, the price differential, and the summer tires on the ... Read More

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe [djconner]

  Written by: avex on Sep 18, 2010 3:44:47 PM

  I'm considering a 2011 GT. I'm not into the Track model because (a) you can't get it w/o the goofy rear spoiler and (b) the 18" wheels are actually far better looking than the 19's that come on the Track. I'm wondering what these cars generally sell for? My local dealer offered $1k off MSRP, which doesn't seem like much. I'm also having trouble finding one to test drive. Apparently, they're ... Read More

• 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

  Written by: djconner on Sep 18, 2010 11:53:07 AM

  Hmm, doesn't look like we have any 2011 model discussions yet. I'm looking into buying a Genesis Coupe, starting to crunch the numbers, etc. The 3.8 Track would be my first choice... but it's about $2,000 to $2,500 more expensive than the 3.8 Grand Touring model. How big a difference is there between the models in terms of performance and handling? I'm wondering if it's a difference worth paying $2,500 extra ... Read More

2011 Genesis Sedan

• Re: Comments on 2010 Hyundai Genesis sedan [alexk4]

  Written by: jsaylor2 on Sep 15, 2010 4:13:40 PM

  Have a 2011 3.8 model with premium and premium nav. packages. Previous car was a Hyundai Azera. The Genesis is the best value for money in the upscale sedan class, bar none. Same is true of the Azera in its' class. Hyundai builds great cars with great warranties at a great price.

• Re: Comments on 2010 Hyundai Genesis sedan [alexk4]

  Written by: pc_genesis on Sep 14, 2010 10:26:46 AM

  Hi, I currently own a 2011 Hyundai Genesis. Had it for just under 4 weeks. Its really a nice comfortable car. So far the car rides amazing. My incity MPG is more like 16-17 with very frequent stop and go. Highway MPG is 27-30. If you dont live in a hilly area then your MPG should be easily more than what the EPA estimates. Moreover the cars engine is still not ... Read More

• Comments on 2010 Hyundai Genesis sedan

  Written by: alexk4 on Sep 11, 2010 6:16:06 PM

  I'm looking for comments from current Hyundai Genesis owners. I am looking at purchasing a 2011 Genesis sedan. Test drove one today and my husband and I loved it. I'm coming from an '08 GMC Acadia that is a piece of sh**. We are currently in lemon law litigation with Acadia so I want to be thorough with my next purchase. If anyone can provide me with pros or cons on ... Read More

2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues

• Genesis vs Equus Ride

  Written by: kenb757 on Sep 9, 2010 8:31:40 AM

  Don't expect the Equus to ride much better. It sounds like it might be a waste of time for me to test drive an Equus. http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_pag- e_order_int/5/article_id_int/8774 "Under the skin is a modified Genesis chassis, though the air suspension system is all Equus. In Normal mode, we enjoyed a smooth and quiet ride on good roads, but on rough pavement Hyundai's luxurious sedan transmitted too much jounce and felt stiffer than ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Genesis: by all accounts, a smashing success

  Written by: backy on Sep 7, 2010 7:30:13 PM

  High praise, from a somewhat surprising source: R&T (10/10, p. 46, at the start of their 2011 summary for Hyundai): By all accounts, the Genesis sedan has been a smashing success. Later, in their long-term test update (29,700 miles), they have more to say about the Genesis 4.6: By far the most popular car in our fleet for long-distance trips, the Genesis is proving to be a very dependable machine with ... Read More

• To all the geni detractors

  Written by: sweendogy on Sep 6, 2010 8:24:32 PM

  http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1008_2010_ford_taurus_limited_awd_vs_- 2011_toyota_avalon_limited_vs_2010_hyundai_genesis_3_8/index.html Here is the current month of motor trend and look at the findings. Let's put to bed the debate-

• Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Aug 26, 2010 6:32:12 AM

  You are living in the past again. Hyundais HAD poor resale values. But this is 2010, and that has changed. Check out resale values of the latest generation Hyundais and you'll see they are very competitive, even close to class-leading in some cases (e.g. Genesis and Sonata). And the huge discounts relative to others is also a thing of the past. (Priced a 2011 Sonata recently?) If you want a "good ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience

• Is this a good deal to take or is it best to keep looking?

  Written by: katethegreat03 on Aug 24, 2010 2:39:34 PM

  Hi, I have been searching for a new car and would appreciate any help any of you could provide me with. I was given an offer from a dealer here in Texas for a 2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T base model with automatic transmission with about 13 miles on it. The MSRP on the manufacturer sticker says $24,440. The salesman offered me $21,600 OTD. I do not have a trade-in and ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: Motor Trend's final long term report for Genesis [toye]

  Written by: backy on Aug 23, 2010 4:46:39 PM

  Last time I checked, Nissan isn't an American car company, and it took the 2009 MT COTY. Hyundai not being an American car company had nothing to do with the Genesis taking 2nd, IMO. And I think there is an excellent chance MT will name the Sonata the 2011 COTY. Check back in January and we'll see.

• "the Genesis, the real deal"

  Written by: dean3927 on Aug 21, 2010 2:26:03 PM

  ********************************* http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1008_2010_ford_taurus_limited_awd_vs_- - 2011_toyota_avalon_limited_vs_2010_hyundai_genesis_3_8/index.html *********************************

2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues

• 2011 Genesis Suspension

  Written by: bman900 on Aug 18, 2010 7:35:34 PM

  There is a post on www.genesisowners.com "For 2011 Hyundai has reverted back to the 2009 suspension, because no one could tell the difference between 2009 and 2010, and they had a lot of 2009 components left over so they thought they would use them up. " Can anyone verify this? I am torn between purchasing a leftover 2010 and a new 2011. Some of the dealers have 2011s and from what ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 lease [sandy25]

  Written by: pc_genesis on Aug 16, 2010 2:45:10 PM

  Yes it did include all that stuff !! what do u guys think abt the deal.. is it great, good , bad?? BTW ****the car is simply AWESOME and just makes u wanna drive it more and more****

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 lease [pc_genesis]

  Written by: sandy25 on Aug 15, 2010 5:32:52 PM

  Enjoy your new ride. Did the $3000 down include the $595 acquisition fee, 1st month payment and dealer fees?

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 lease [pc_genesis]

  Written by: tjc78 on Aug 15, 2010 5:14:25 AM

  Enjoy your Genesis! What color combo? If I may, I suggest next time you lease put less money down and roll it into your payments. In the event of a total loss you would never get back the upfront (cap cost reduction) money.

• Re: 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 lease [pc_genesis]

  Written by: toye on Aug 15, 2010 4:39:40 AM

  Congratulations on your new purchase!!!!

• 2011 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 lease

  Written by: pc_genesis on Aug 15, 2010 12:42:58 AM

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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [sweendogy]

  Written by: smarty666 on Aug 9, 2010 8:04:34 PM

  I'm not caught up in anything. I'm not crazy the direction Acura has taken, and unless something changes between now and the end of the 2011, I won't be going back into another Acura. That doesn't mean they don't have products that are well regarded and sell well. They had winners along after that model. The 3G TL was a huge design and sales success and so was the 1G TSX. ... Read More

• Re: wrong idea [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Aug 4, 2010 8:47:42 AM

  I said boxy sedans... the photo is of a coupe. But it does resemble the lines of the Equus and some other Hyundais e.g. Sonata and 2011 Elantra moreso than the typical European sedan. What does "curvy for the sake of curvy" mean, anyway? And is it similar to the concept of "boxy for the sake of boxy"? Odd you should mention CR. Since you respect the opinion of CR, note ... Read More

2011 Genesis Sedan

• Re: 2011 Genesis Sedan [twinb]

  Written by: nutsaboutcars on Jul 7, 2010 8:23:51 PM

  I have a 2010 genesis v8 and every thing was fine with the car until she hit a few thousand miles on her and thats when things went to the crapper..The tires are horrible very noisy and the car ride is terrible..The ride is harsh..I leased this car for 3 years and for the amount iam paying each month I could of leased a better car..The car looks nice very elegant ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Jun 22, 2010 3:45:34 PM

  Heck, there is even a Sonata lease thread right here at Edmunds with people putting down nothing to a pittance. But not for $199/month, which is the deal you brought to the discussion. I am only pointing out that in the ads I've seen, there's big up-front costs for that deal--which has run since the debut of the 2011 Sonata. As for the ads proving there's no "run" on the car, ... Read More

• Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Jun 20, 2010 9:20:41 PM

  Yes, the 2011 Sonata's high residual value has allowed Hyundai to set lease prices close to those of Camcords. But $199/month with lots up front is no real bargain these days. I see screamer ads for Accords and Mazda6's for $219/mo sign-and-drive. So when will you be picking up that new Genesis coupe and having your mechanic of choice add the HKS et. al. tuning pieces for you? Or will you ... Read More

• Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Jun 20, 2010 8:13:00 PM

  If you really want a tuned Genesis coupe that you don't have to tune yourself, search for a used one... maybe Google can help there. The tuned car discussion was never about new tuned cars. No luck for me on a Google search for 2011 Sonata rentals. I could only find one hit that had anything to do with renting the car in the US. There were a lot of the ... Read More

• Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]

  Written by: fintail on Jun 20, 2010 6:52:00 PM

  I don't know, maybe it depends on where you live. Google it - something you like to do, and find lots of stories about 2011 Sonata rentals - and the previous generation was a rental queen out here. Per google, National seems to be the carrier. We also get Camry rental cars, Mazda 6 rental cars, and other oddballs out here. Or maybe private owners are removing license plate frames and ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

• Re: [jmonroe]

  Written by: allmet33 on May 21, 2010 11:35:25 AM

  That being the case, it would seem that snowy conditions would be a setback for the OEM Dunlops. Which, if you had trouble on them even while driving Miss Daisy...it would seem that maybe they did have a different type of tire on the Genesis they drove. Only way to find out is to ask the authors of those articles I guess. Buddy...let me tell you. My wife wasn't a fan ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: sounds good [bobad]

  Written by: toye on May 20, 2010 8:37:03 AM

  3 years ago it was a legitimate question if Hyundai could pull it off. My how has the Hyundai reputation grown. I just read an article in Fortune about the writer's reluctance to believe in Hyundai forward momentum. He said that he was very impressed with the Genesis but still leery about the brand. Now that he has reviewed the 2011 Sonata he has concluded that Hyundai is now in the ... Read More

• Re: yet another basher? [captain2]

  Written by: backy on May 13, 2010 11:16:38 AM

  ...but would also suggest to you that making a limited volume higher end vehicle is not going to do that nearly as well as better Elantras/Santa Fes/Sonatas eventually will. Hyundai is doing that too. Have you checked out the 2011 Sonata yet, or seen the pics and specs on the next-gen Elantra? Making better FWD family cars and mainstream SUVs will help elevate the brand image, but will NOT tell the ... Read More

2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues

• Re: Genesis Problems

  Written by: bocatrip on May 9, 2010 3:22:19 PM

  This forum began in Ocbober of 2008 listing quite a few fairly significant defects and flaws in the 2009 Genesis. In other forums I have also noticed numerous issues from the notorious early suspension problems to mostly electronic flaws with the radio amplifiers, steering wheel tilt resetting, and a zillion TSBs covering different issues. This forum has been relatively quiet for the last 3 months. Are all the problems resolved or ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: Example of making room for Hyundai [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Apr 26, 2010 7:04:40 PM

  they really will buy what they are TOLD is good, what they think their neighbors think is good, or what they previously bought probably for the same reasons. Then LOTS of American auto buyers were TOLD that Hyundais are good, that their neighbors think Hyundai is good, or were repeat buyers last month. And over the past few years actually. I do give many American auto buyers a lot of credit. ... Read More

• Re: Interesting.. [tjc78]

  Written by: backy on Apr 21, 2010 2:17:11 PM

  ...how many of them (with the means to do so) have "put their money where their mouth is" and bought one? Well, in the US, for the Equus... none to date. As you know, quite a few people--including you--have "put their money where their mouth is" and bought a Genesis sedan. Why does it matter to you, or to this discussion, that the well-established Lexus ES outsold the Genesis sedan last ... Read More

Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

• Re: Hyundai Genesis - winter driving [hundafiniti]

  Written by: westwindlion on Apr 1, 2010 12:12:49 PM

  Actually, the Dunlops are not that bad as I drove in 2 major snow storms in NJ (Feb 2010). Similar Dunlop OEMs are also installed on BMW X5 V8 Model. Genesis 3.8 Fully loaded is really nice as I drive one since Oct 2009 (6 months). So far no technical issues at all - It is a world class car. However, there is a refresh planned for 2011 (Oct/Nov 2010 launch) ... Read More

Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

• Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Mar 15, 2010 4:26:48 PM

  There has been ample discussion in more than one venue about Genesis suspension issues, which translate directly into uneven handling. That is based on, what? Your experience behind the wheel of the 2009 Genesis? When I read the comments about the 2009 Genesis and "unsettled" ride, I don't see them mention "uneven handling". Really the focus of those comments was on the ride not being as buttoned-down as some owners would ... Read More

• Re: Hyundai First [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Mar 14, 2010 10:35:44 AM

  So now it is against Fintail's Law for people to voice their honest opinions here, and report what they see and hear. Sorry if my report from the auto show offended you. Maybe you can go check out the Equus yourself and report on what you think, rather than taking shots at other people who actually bother to check out the cars on which they share their opinion. Oh, and about ... Read More

• Re: I'll second these emotions... [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Mar 3, 2010 10:24:48 AM

  ...primarily because of that bane of the Korean cars existence called resale value. You probably missed the recent news item that the 2011 Sonata is ranked #1 in resale value in its class. You have probably also not noticed that the Genesis sedan and coupe are holding their values very well, as are other Hyundais such as the Veracruz, Tucson, and Elantra. Continual improvements to Hyundai's products are having their effect ... Read More

• Re: Useless to reply to one. . . [fintail]

  Written by: backy on Feb 28, 2010 10:35:05 AM

  Yes, good point. Everyone drives a used car! Which is another reason I have gravitated to used cars of late. It's very easy to find used cars with low mileage that have all the latest safety and convenience features, look and drive just like new, and in some cases have warranties that are better than when the car was new. For around 50-60% of the cost of a new car. (Plus ... Read More

• Re: What makes Luxury, Luxury? [toye]

  Written by: bobad on Feb 12, 2010 5:22:04 AM

  I went to a local Hyundai dealership the other day to see the new 2011 Sonata, (another huge bulls eye... I'm reading about people driving the 2011 Sonata out of curiosity, and ending up owning one. That seems to be common in the Genesis, Veracruz, Santa Fe, and Sonata. That's why I stay away from the dealer.

• And the times, they are a chang-in'...

  Written by: backy on Feb 8, 2010 7:27:18 PM

  A Hyundai is tops in ALG's residual values for mid-sized segment: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2011-hyundai-sonata-gls-tops-popular-com- petitors-including-premium-brands-in-alg-residual-value-index-83845712.html They also noted (more on topic also): Hyundai's world-class quality has significantly improved the brand's residual values over the past few years. Hyundai's premium models are driving the improvement according to data released in ALG's January/February edition. The 2010 Genesis sedan achieves 47.5 percent retention of MSRP, the all-new Genesis Coupe achieves an outstanding 52.3 percent and the ... Read More

• Recent Hyundai Recognitions

  Written by: dean3927 on Jan 22, 2010 6:15:21 PM

  *********** Top Ten Cars of the Decade Countdown: #5 Hyundai Genesis http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/2009/12/29/top-ten-cars-of-the-decade-count- - down-5-hyundai-genesis/ Top Ten Cars to Look Forward to in 2010: #3 Hyundai Sonata http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/2010/01/19/top-ten-cars-to-look-forward-to-- - in-2010-2011-hyundai-sonata/ Best New Cars 2010 (Genesis Coupe & Kia Forte) http://cars.about.com/od/whatscomingin2010/tp/bestnewcarsof2010.htm

• Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Jan 19, 2010 7:15:11 AM

  Like what? How many mainstream sedans (i.e. those most people can actually afford) have DI engines and 6-speed automatic transmissions, which is what most of Hyundai's sedan fleet will offer within about a year? How many non-luxury cars offered standard ESC on every trim level five years ago? How many cars offered satellite radio standard on every vehicle offered in the US, as Hyundai has since 2007? How many sedans offer ... Read More

• Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Jan 13, 2010 5:36:31 PM

  That's just it, Hyundai (or anybody else) that messes with 'selling' things to Hertz or whoever is NOT 'selling' anything. Uh... they are selling cars, which otherwise would be sitting on dealer lots while all eyes are on the shiny new 2011 Sonatas. In case you haven't noticed, price is one of the biggest if not the biggest (these days) factor for a new-car purchase--except for you and all those ultra-rich ... Read More

• Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [toye]

  Written by: tjc78 on Jan 12, 2010 8:50:50 AM

  Unless you own the Genesis in which I have since April I have actually owned mine since around that time. Yes, it does get some attention. I have had people stare, come up to me in parking lots and once a fellow was yelling at me out his window asking me if I liked it. The point I was trying to make is that the perception of Hyundai still isn't that ... Read More

• Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [tjc78]

  Written by: toye on Jan 12, 2010 8:25:22 AM

  Unless you own the Genesis in which I have since April, one can't understand the attention this vehicle gets. Every time I take the car for a drive, errands, trips I get stared at (not because of looks anymore) people come to me and ask to see the Genesis, everyday!!! The response to this vehicle has been overwhelming. In my opinion the Genesis is the game changer for Hyundai. I stopped ... Read More

• Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [captain2]

  Written by: backy on Jan 11, 2010 3:34:32 PM

  most autobuyers think of Hyundai on the same plane as the D3 mfgrs. right now... OK, then you admit that most buyers perceive that Hyundai is quite capable of producing luxury cars, since that is certainly true for some of the D3. As for a Hyundai buyer paying more for a Hyundai than at a J3 dealer... check out the Sonata Prices Paid discussion starting in February, and see what buyers ... Read More

• Re: Snob appeal option... [espo35]

  Written by: captain2 on Nov 25, 2009 10:12:59 AM

  very good - BUT it really doesn't need the Grey Poupon - for 2011 what it needs is a 'Genesis' dealer and some distance between it and the Hyundai dealer

• Snob appeal option...

  Written by: espo35 on Nov 25, 2009 8:31:18 AM

  Hyundai is aware of the "snob-appeal" issue with the Genesis. For the 2011 model, the Genesis comes STANDARD with a case of Grey Poupon.....

• Re: Reliability & Durability [andres3]

  Written by: backy on Oct 6, 2009 3:22:33 PM

  Okay, fair enough, if Hyundai can rack up 10 years straight of solid red dots in CR, then I'll say they've reached the creme of the crop, which is what Toyota and Honda have achieved in the past. At that point Hyundai will have passed Toyota and Honda, which have slipped (including in the CR surveys) in reliablity since their heyday. Here's one for you: compare a 2010 Corolla and Civic ... Read More

• Re: Who here just likes the car? [bobad]

  Written by: backy on Sep 27, 2009 1:27:37 PM

  I think the new Sonata is much, much more important to Hyundai, strategically and financially, in the USA than the Equus. I expect Hyundai will focus on the Sonata rollout in early 2010 and hold off on the Equus until later in 2010 so they can put some money and focus behind each rollout. But they have other rollouts in 2010-2011 too. What will be interesting is how they position the ... Read More

• Re: Fluidic Sculpture Design Language

  Written by: dean3927 on Sep 17, 2009 3:03:04 PM

  Here's another Sonata unveiling article with pictures better grouped together: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/09/2011-hyundai-sonata-officially-revealed.htm- - - l Hyundai has formally stated that "fluidic sculpture" will be the theme throughout the lineup. This is proven in the heavily disguised upcoming Elantra as well (you can see the pictures here on Edmunds.com). Now, Kia, if you recall, is also adopting a consistent "design lineage" for the entire future Kia lineup, headed by Peter Schreyer (new Beetle ... Read More

• Re: But [houdini1]

  Written by: toye on Sep 6, 2009 3:01:01 PM

  Good point..unlike american car companies Hyundai is pouring millions and millions into research and development for years. Only now are we seeing their hard work and dedication... Just look the Genesis, Equus, 2011 Sonata, new Tucson... Heads above anything they have done in the past. They are muscling their way to the top, even in uncertain times and taking on competition that just a few years ago would have been laughable ... Read More

• Re: But [toye]

  Written by: backy on Sep 6, 2009 1:04:48 PM

  Yes, I think once Hyundai has more than one sedan model to offer in a luxury brand, and now that the Genesis sedan has had some time to provide a "halo" effect to the Hyundai brand, a separate brand name ala Genesis makes sense. If that happens, it will be interesting to see how Hyundai implements it. Will it be with existing Hyundai dealers, maybe in a separate part of the ... Read More